I’m a huge fan of Burj Hammoud but I have to condemn their recent actions. Due to some incidents that took place in Burj Hammoud some members of the community are now targeting and harassing all the expat workers in the area. I know Najib agrees with what they’re doing but I have to disagree. I think it’s extremely racist to target people based on nationality or appearance. It’s called racial profiling and it’s fucked up. We should respect the migrants instead of threatening them or humiliating them. I read this in the DailyStar awhile ago and I think it sums up how messed up things are:
Salman hails from Nigeria, but first came to Lebanon 20 years ago. Like most of those interviewed for this report, he did not want his full name published. â€œSince 1991, I always felt safe in Dora,â€ he recalls. â€œBut now, it is like they are targeting all migrant workers.â€ On one recent day in the Dora roundabout he was asked for his papers five times. â€œSomething is happening here,â€ he says. â€œI donâ€™t know what.â€
What’s happening is very sad and I hope the community realizes what they’re doing is simply wrong and unjust. Racism in Lebanon needs to end.
Check out the full article on DailyStar [Here]
Good post Mark, unlike that of your friend on that issue 😉
Between Najib’s maid post and his burj hamoud one, I’m afraid drastic action is needed. Get him a ticket to the usa or even manilla and let him experience first hand what it means to be a hardworking immigrant.
lol forgot about his maid post
for those who missed it here is the famous maid post 😀
What about the maid post?
I don’t see how both are related. If you wish to reopen the issue, I would gladly do it. No need to take cheap shots and reopening the topic.
Keep your actions to yourself.
They’re both related because of the racism…
Who’s asking him for his papers?
Asking to remove all illegal immigrants and troublemakers is one thing and questionning immigrants left and right is another.
Maybe we should a bit and see what’s really happening.
It’s racial profiling. They’re not supposed to ask for his papers unless they have good reason. Because he’s black isn’t a reason.
“Racial profiling refers to the use of an individualâ€™s race or ethnicity by law enforcement personnel as a key factor in deciding whether to engage in enforcement (e.g. make a traffic stop or arrest). The practice is controversial and is illegal in some nations.”
Of course they should not ask for his papers cause he’s black. I am asking who is questionning him? Is it the police of a bunch of men or some Tashnag members?
It’s the army or police.
“His previously cordial relationship with the police is over. When he smiles at an officer now, Salman says they request identification.”
If its the army or police, then this is a complete other issue at hand because we all know how racist both those institutions are, and they don’t spare a chance to beat up foreign workers whether they are legal or not.
So regardless of whether Bourj Hammoud came up with this decision or not, anytime foreign workers are linked to a murder or crime, they question all those who “seem” foreign to them. That’s unfortunate but this is Lebanon.
Yes and this is wrong yet you supported these actions in your previous post titled “Good Job Bourj Hammoud municipality!”
What the Lebanese Army doing or the police is wrong.
Taking a decision to remove all illegal immigrants and troublemakers from your town is not wrong.
You said it yourself it could be a good way to get the ISF and army to do their job. Well this is how the army and police do their job.
Maybe it should have been better if they did the job themselves as they seem to be more competent.
Najib what do you think was going to happen with this decision? Like I stated in my comment to you in that post.. how do you tell an illegal immigrant from a legal immigrant? You can’t.
And yes I did say that if the criminals are well known then the cops should do their jobs and bust them. But that doesn’t mean they should harass every single migrant worker until they find one that is illegal or wanted.
I’m a lebanese expat who comes to lebanon every summer. I spend a big crunch of my time in Bourj Hammoud since my grandparents live there. Before all this happened, in the beginning of the summer. I would have my cousin walk me to my car, because I felt unsafe! unsafe in Bourj Hammoud, i had NEVER before felt that way. I couldn’t walk, during the daytime, for 10 meters, and not fear being harassed by “migrant workers” as you call them. Now, we can’t generalize that’s for sure, because many of those people are hard working individuals who are harmless.
Social profiling is also not a great solution, but this IS Lebanon.
This should NOT be a laissez passer for the police to treat migrant workers unfairly, and have power trips left and right.
However, I am COMPLETELY supportive of the Tashnag decision to do what they did. Afterall, I’ve seen a “room/house” in which 10 syrian workers were living, and everytime I passed in front of that “house,” I felt extremely uncomfortable, for legitimate reasons.
Bourj Hammoud used to be a lively and secure community.I had never heard of stabbings,and robberies until this year! If this had happened in any other community, the same would have been done.
I mean come on, bi kaffe eno many of those families live in extremely shitty situations…I think they deserve to , at least, feel secure.
Annie if people break laws they should be arrested, no one is disagreeing with that.
And Burj Hammoud’s official statement, confirmed the next day by Tashnag, was to remove those breaking the law.
Check the original post you will see the confusion was concerning the early statement which was clearly explained the next day by Tashnag officials.
First of all, we don’t really know what’s happening in Bourj Hammoud as I pass by there almost everyday and all seem to be calm. This article could be exaggerated for all we know.
The criminals are known but those illegally settled are not. Check out what the Burj Hammoud mayor said and you will see nothing seems to be going wrong.
Don’t you think we would have heard about some trouble and riots or small fights if things were that tense?
What will happen is that those causing trouble and illegal foreign workers will be arrested and kicked out, some will try to take advantage of it by turning it into a political problem or racism, we might hear of a fight or two, and a week or two weeks from now everything will go back to normal.
Exactly how is it racist to target illegal tenants? You are obviously not presenting, or even acknowledging, the fact that the evictions are simply the enforcement of existing laws. If you believe Lebanese tenancy laws are racist, then please clarify this point.
Most importantly, your post is focusing on Bourj Hammoud but you mention Dora as well. In fact, several neighbourhoods in the area are carrying out the evictions, many of which are not predominantly Armenian.
So Mark, I must ask directly, how can I not see your post as being racist if you are singling out the Armenian neighbourhood as the crux of the problem?
I think it is far too easy for bloggers to feed each other misinformation and I’m very disappointed to see blogbaladi mixed up in this affair. Frankly, I expected more from you.
Who said targeting illegal tenants is a racist act? I said racial profiling is a racist act and that’s what my post was highlighting. Also the reason my post is focusing on Burj Hammoud is because the subject and news article is in regards to the recent decision by Burj Hammoud on the migrant workers.
You haven’t answered anything, Mark. You’ve made two circular statements: racial profiling is racist. Yes. I’m focusing on Bourj Hammoud because of what Bourj Hammoud decided. OK.
Do you see why we can’t take you seriously?
The decision taken by the Bourj Hammoud municipality was to kick out illegal tenants, regardless of race. Thus, this is an issue of tenancy law and enforcement. Nothing to do with race.
What DOES have to do with race is your decision to point the blame on the Armenian community. I call this a decision on your part because you can no longer feign ignorance; I just explained the fact that this was a decision taken by SEVERAL municipalities, not just those that are predominantly Armenian, and you chose to ignore this.
This is a sad situation for both sides. Many families are tired of squalid living conditions, both Lebanese and foreign. If a municipality decides to finally enforce the law, we shouldn’t sully their efforts with petty political and racial bickering.
Do your research and apologise. Save face. Blogbaladi has a good thing going; don’t ruin it for the rest of your team.
Greg I can see you’re upset but you’re barking up the wrong tree. As I already told you the post was in regards to the racial profiling that’s currently taking place in Burj Hammoud at this moment due to a decision taken by the Burj Hammoud municipality. No race was targeted and I didn’t mention anything about the Armenians, Koreans or the Chinese.
If you’re a Burj Hammoud resident I can see why you’re upset but as I’ve already mentioned a number of times I don’t have an issue with the municipality enforcing the law. I am actually quite surprised that the municipality had to make a decision to enforce the law (shouldn’t they be enforcing it anyway?). What I do have a problem with and what you should have a problem with is racial profiling and racial acts towards the migrants.
Here is an excerpt from the Daily Star article you based your post on:
But the report itself is not Fakhryâ€™s main concern â€“ itâ€™s the aftermath. â€œWe blame the report for triggering racism,â€ he explains, â€œand for giving people the right to go and harass and beat these migrants.â€
He says that in the days following the reportâ€™s airing, â€œwe had Lebanese people in Burj Hammoud beating migrants, harassing them, pushing them in the streets under the eyes of the police â€¦ at the same time we saw an increasing number of police and security forces.
I’m assuming this is the basis of your post, as it is the only time the witnessing of migrants being abused is mentioned. So, is this really enough to write a blog post about? It isn’t the main idea of the article, it’s the testimony of a professionally motivated individual and it ignores the fact that there have been heavy clashes between Armenians and Kurds in the area. The violence is going both ways.
If what you are trying to focus on is the profiling being carried out by the Army, this is another story that could be very interesting in its own right.
I’m not particularly upset, just disappointed by the scope and over-generalization in your post. It is crucial for the Lebanese people to overcome racism, and I applaud you for expressing your commitment to it, but please realise that broad-stroke posts can often, even inadvertently, fuel the fire of racism.
If you check my old posts you’ll notice a vast majority of them if they’re not talking about food then they’re most likely talking about racism in Lebanon. I’m honestly not really sure how you misunderstood my post as being racist since I’ve clearly stated what my issue is and here is quote:
“I think itâ€™s extremely racist to target people based on nationality or appearance. Itâ€™s called racial profiling and itâ€™s fucked up.”
How that sounded racist towards Armenian to you I have no idea.
“Due to some incidents that took place in Burj Hammoud the community is now targeting and harassing all the expat workers in the area.”
Who do you mean by the Bourj Hammoud community?
Is it really the entire community gathering against all the expat workers?
When you say Bourj Hammoud, you are implying Armenians wether you intend to or not.
If you look at another blog post on Now Lebanon by Angie Nassar entitled “Bourj Hammoud is the new racism”, this point is reaffirmed by her closing comment:
“The perpetuation of racist ideologies coming from individuals who are likely themselves marginalized and who have also experienced racism and oppression?Oh, come on.”
Calling an entire community racists is simply racist. That’s all there is to it.
That’s not racism, that’s called generalizing and that I will admit is a mistake from my side and one I will be amending now by inserting the words “some members of the” in front of community.
If that was causing you a fit you should have mentioned that in your original post instead of rambling and accusing me of being a racist. It should have been pretty obvious to you that this post was written with the intent of creating awareness on the racial profiling that is taking place due to a decision that was taken by the Burj Hammoud municipality and not a post aimed at being racist.
Next time you spot a spelling mistake, a grammatical error or in this case miss-wording, just tell me, I’m human and I make mistakes. No need to get aggressive.
You’re losing touch of the bigger picture here Greg because of this whole Armenian aspect (I’m assuming you’re Armenian from your arguments) and you’re taking some of the things mentioned too literal.
The immigrant workers living in Bourj Hammoud aren’t all criminals and thugs and are there to make a living. If there’s a Nigerian man or an Asian guy walking down the street, the only reason a cop can ask for their papers is if they’re doing something suspicious, walking down the street, isn’t suspicious. That’s racist.
We understand there have been problems with some Kurds and whatnot, but is this really the way to deal with it? It has a feeling of xenophobia.
Mark you have racist overtones. Admit it. You’ll be bigger man for it. If this situation had happened in any other municipality you would not had accused the “municipality” meaning the Armenian community. Thus proving your racism. Greg just pointed out the other municipalities as well but you keep on harping on the same point. Tell the ISF/LA not to arrest randomly. If it is a well known fact that these migrant workers are most without legal papers; why should not they be profiled. You bring your honorable self to NY and see how you get profiled for being Lebanese dude!
Anyways this has gone past any objective discussion. Najib was right and you are wrong. This horse has been beat dead.
Just FYI racial profiling happens every time anyone goes through the western airport. So stay in the gulf or you’d be profiled.
I’m half Armenian so don’t tell me I’m being racist towards Armenians because I’m accusing the police of racial profiling.
And yes racial profiling does exist in the West but that doesn’t make it right and certainly shouldn’t be used as an excuse like you just did.
Your Dad’s pic in “karantina camp” was a giveaway…
However; you are being racist against Armenians as well as others who I know of are of half or full Armenian origin. Your reaction is typical of a teacher who is trying to be tougher on his/her own then others. Your comment about the community or some in the community was alluding to Armenians not the police. If it were the security services alone…we would not be having this discussion.
Steve jobs knew real well the benefits of an Armenian parent. 😀
*your grandfather’s pic.
…and I am not using racial profiling as an excuse. it is a reality in today’s world. usually the bleeding hearts are the ones who constantly abuse others’ civil rights but talk a great game. If there were any humanity in Lebanese; they would not tolerate the squalor that Palestinian refugees live in. Treating them worse than rabid dogs!
you got me, you’re right, I’m a racist. This whole post was created because i hate soujouk.
I’m a caucasian from the West and a person whiter then me you won’t find easily. Your victim role in regard to how you’re being treated at airports in the West is just pathetic. But I’ll remember your comment next time when I’m stripped from my shoes, belt, watch, wallet, keys and so on, waiting in a line to be strip-searched by a security officer.
Not because I’m a caucasion, but because of security reasons.
Racism is just plain denying that other people have the same rights as you have yourself, just because they don’t belong to your own ‘group/people’.
The way maids are treated have also nothing outstanding with a healthy boss – employee relation. ‘I treat my maid as part of my family….’ -what a load of crap! A maid, which does your dirty work, has the same rights as any other employee at a firm. What would you say if your boss pays you only 20% of your normal income and instead will give you a hug and tells you that he considers you as a member of his family and you’re from now on allowed to sleep at the loft of the family-house…?
In a normal employment-contract would be set how many hours a week she has to work, what the minimum wage will be that she can expect, what her rights are if she’s ill (may be even health care insurance), paid holidays, at what day of the week/month she’ll receive her salary, her housing, the respect for privacy and other common values as part of labour-laws.
In the ‘racist’ Western culture, 99% of the families don’t have a maid or a driver, simply cause they can’t afford it. They do the cleaning, groceries, cooking and take care for the complete household, including the children, themselves after they’ve finished their own daily job.
The existance of a human being can’t be illegal, though a stay in a country can be illegal for a person. It’s exactly this attitude which makes these people vulnerable for racism, discrimination, exploitation and getting trapped into modern slavery.
By denying that other people have the same rights as yourself, due to your (supposed) superior nationality or ethnic roots, -you are basicly excecuting racism in its most pure form.
Racial profiling.. Pfff. My a..
Oh Marcel – do you honestly believe that our beloved “West” isn’t racially profiling individuals? Sure, both you & I (and every other Joe, Ira and Ahmed) have had to take off our shoes, watches, and jackets when going through airport security, but how many times have you found yourself “randomly” selected for “Special Security Screening”? In case you don’t know what that is, it’s when you hand your boarding pass to a security official before getting to the security line and they stare at your boarding pass & passport and for no known reason, write “SSS” on your boarding pass. What does that “SSS” mean? It means after you go through the metal detector, you will be pulled to the side and your bags will be searched, your phone and laptop will be inspected and you will be questioned about everything and anything. Another favorite of mine is when returning to the States and your passport is placed in a little manila envelop and you’re asked to follow the airport employee to a little room where you’re asked to sit and wait. You sit and wait for hours until someone calls you into a room and begins to question you about everything under the sun including what kind of car you drive, where you work and if you’ve ever been to Yemen or Afghanistan!
No, 99% of us in the “West” don’t have maids, but here’s a little experiment for you . . . place 2 resumes on any job board . . . identical resumes with 1 main difference . . . have 1 resume listed with a “white” name and have the other resume listed with a Middle Eastern sounding name. Check the stats of both resumes after a week. Want to know what you’ll find? The “white” resume will be viewed 75% more times than that of the “Arab”.
Want more example of racial profiling here in the States? Here’s some interesting reading material for you . . .
NYPD & CIA work together to “infiltrate” mosques and spy on clerics, food vendors, cabbies, and anyone else of “ancestries of interest” . . . http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/13/nypd-cia-terrorism_n_960135.html
Lebanese Americans investigated in a Terror case, but since the FBI couldn’t find any terror links, they decided to cook up drug charges but even those charges didn’t stick . . . http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/Feds-Cant-Make-Terror-Case-Against-Head-Shops-121859244.html
Now, I’m not saying that Lebanon is without it’s “racially” related issues, but if you think the States is approaching safety and security in a rounded, unbiased and non-racially motivated manner, then I suggest you crawl out from under that rock.
generalizing is racism.
Thanks for fixing it.
When Hezbollah takes matters of government into their owns hands and pays no regard to laws other than their own.. everyday citizens feel obligated to do the same to protect themselves..Without true security and justice, who else can you depend on to protect you?
If that’s the rational we’re going by then we might as well all get weapons and stack up on missiles.
Except that’s not the right way to go about it. What needs to happen is all the other parties should come together and make a stand on this issue but we’re all too busy voting for Jeita and getting drunk on rooftops.
Finally after all these years, our sense of human compassion finally wakes and we begin attacking the Armenians for causing a pseudo-exodus of foreign workers from their areas for safety reasons. Yet, we have forgotten how we treat our own maids in our houses, keeping them locked up 24/7 and paying them a couple of hundreds of bucks for enslaving them; not to mention how we have imprisoned half a million of human beings in refugee camps for over half a century, but that’s OK cause they’re palestinians and they have no rights whatsoever anyways. Funny how the Armenians have turned the scapegoats of most of the Lebanese society in the last few years, from parliamentary elections to any simple measure they take. It’s like the Jews before WWII in Austria and Germany.
Many are the times that I have heard this phrase from people I study/work with to people I barely know:”Go back to Armenia”! As if I am originally from Armenia…Welcome to Lebanon!
I agree with Najib , those are nawar yali wasakho el balad, why not try and live in bh for a day among them and you’ll understand , I’m not against foreign labor working in Lebanon but not only have they stolen Lebanese people’s opportunities to make money but also gave an ugly image to a newly commercial area , why should they work and open stores when there are people who are dying to open stores like those , and those philippinos el da3ara those are you’re defending ???
stolen lebanese’s work opportunities? you think a lebanese would accept working as a maid or a sukleen worker? LOOOL! “nawar w wassakho el balad” ya 3aybel shoum! A lebanese still doesnt know he/she shouldnt throw banana peels and kleenex out of his car window. arraftouna 3an jad
i understand that crime is on the rise but stigmatizing all migrant workers and foreigner is not the solution. Racism will only create more tension and problems
For all those who are talking about racial profiling. Please suggest a way that the Lebanese army can adopt to arrest the illegal foreign workers.
If we get many ways, then the bloggers here can even place it in a separate post & hopefully it will reach the army.
Sako as a first step I would apply the law. Meaning if someone commits a crime or is violating a law they should be arrested.
My question is HOW? Noone can deny the fact that there are illegal workers and one can’t stop them from entering the country (there are even illegal workers in USA & France).
Instead of blaming the army for being racist, suggest non-racial ways to apply the law.
Is doing surprise inspections and surprising the workers at night in their rooms the way to arrest them?
Or maybe doing inspections at work places?
Is having check points at the Dora roundabout the way to arrest them?
The ways I mentioned can be labelled as ‘racial profiling’. I’ll be glad if u can find a way that can’t be labelled as racist.
The non racial way is to arrest or stop people that give you reason to and not just because they’ve got a different skin color. A guy is walking and then notices a checkpoint, turns around and runs. That’s a suspicious act. The Burj Hammoud municipality state there were “known” gangs and criminals. Step 1 – Arrest those fuckers
The one who’s violating the law won’t give you a clue that he is. I see many foreign workers pass in front of my shop (in Bourj Hammoud) in the morning & at night. By just looking at their faces, I can’t identify who’s legal or not.
Your solution won’t get us anywhere.
I’ve been stopped many times at check points (even before this foreign workers issue) and I wasn’t doing anything suspicious but I followed the procedure without even complaining knowing that it’s for my security & I wasn’t violating any law. (Note: I have even been arrested by the Lebanese army but that’s a different story! They thought I’m the one doing all the explosions in Lebanon).
As for step 1. Some got arrested and most probably others already escaped. We’re in step 2 now where we want to apply the law!
Thats messed up, why would they think you were the guy behind the explosions? could you share with us your story?
At the end of the day, Mark turned out to be racist lol. That is incorrect the same way him claiming that I am racist or my statement is racist are totally wrong.
I think the main misunderstanding happened from the start, as the statement given by the BH municipality was not a racist but taken as being one by NowLebanon and the Daily Star. I made sure to update the post to mention that ONLY those with incorrect papers and illegal status and troublemakers are being kicked out as stated by the Tashnag officials and the BH municipality and that’s how the discussion was closed in the first topic.
Nevertheless, verifying everyone’s papers is something the municipality is allowed to do but that doesn’t mean racial profiling should be allowed.
I think it is BH municipality’s duty to make sure this whole operation goes smoothly and it does not affect the city’s image or portray them as being racist, and that they answer false allegations such as the ones in Daily Star. If a foreign worker felt safe before but now feels targetted, it’s cause of illegal foreign workers sending out a wrong image and cause of few Lebanese (Doesn’t matter if they are Armenians or not) residing in BH behaving wrongly. And this racist behavior towards foreign workers can be found all over Lebanon. It’s not something new.
Added to that, foreign workers in Lebanon in general are always harassed by the army and ISF, so that’s not something new and if this guy Salman has never been a victim of such abuse, it means he’s been lucky that’s all. Few years back ago, Somalian authorities condemned the reckless arrests and beating of Somalian workers for no reason yet nothing’s changed. Let us not start with maids and the “suicides” we hear about.
This whole racism issue is never gonna end in Lebanon, not before the authorities become responsible enough to stop abuses from both sides, and educate the army & ISF personnel to behave properly when dealing with foreign workers and Lebanese for that sake. Lest not forget how Lebanese have been killing each others over the years for religious purposes.
Nothing’s going well in Lebanon, whether we like it or not, and we are going backwards one year after the other. That doesn’t mean I am being negative, on the contrary, this is reality but we can still rejoice and enjoy and have fun and that’s what I’ve been trying to reflect through a great number of my posts (and Mark & Chahe as well).
Anyway enough said.
thx goodness not all of this blog’s contributors are racists
I couldn’t read all the comments. Fi kiteer.
But while I understand the concerns of the people in areas like Burj Hammoud.. actions that make migrants workers feel unsafe and unwanted for doing nothing is unfair. THe fact is that many of the issues migrant workers face are similar to those a Lebanese immigrant faces in Australia for example- stigmatized, mistreated people who have a bad socio-economic lifestyle are more likely to commit crimes. I’m not trying to generalize but its important to note. Then there’s the issue that Lebanon min aslo isn’t all that safe when you really think about it and the Lebanese barely have jobs but will never take the jobs these people are doing la2anon kiteer class. and il-Libnani in many respects mfakar halo ahsan min el-kil but the fact is they are in many respects, they too, are uncivilized and have actually ruined their own country with their own hands and even though the war ended 15 years ago they still haven’t managed to rebuild all that much. My dad tells me Albania has built more since their war ended then we have… sad!
Also, racial profiling is problematic on many levels regardless of who does it but at least PRETEND you aren’t racially profiling. I.e. in the US they search everyone and they may pull aside a white person but the indicators used to pull others out of the line are racial profiling though they would never call it that. What is happening here is blatant racial profiling. But what can you expect in reality?
To be clear though, so no one jumps to comment, I don’t think all Lebanese are racist or racial profilers. I also think this could’ve and does happen everywhere else in Lebanon and its wrong no matter who does it.
Like someone mentioned, in Lebanon, we have modern-day slavery.. It’s sad, its scary and speaks to a lot of issues the Lebanese have to deal with still. Olo Allah.
Albania built more after it’s war???? What war? World War II? It’s been 66 years since Albania had an actual war fought on it’s soil. Albania was under communist rule for over 50 years until 1992. In late 1996 until April 1997, there were riots as a result of people’s anger over various financial scams. But again, that wasn’t a war. One can make the argument that Albania did participate in the war against Iraq when it sent troops in 2003, but again, no war fought on Albanian soil. The closest “WAR” to Albania’s borders since WWII was when the rest of the Balkans (the former Yugoslavia) was in turmoil. At that time, Albania’s borders were floaded with refugees from Kosova, Macedonia, and Bosnia but again, that wasn’t a war Albania had any actual participation in other than to allow NATO forces to use it’s airspace, landing strips and sea ports.
Now, considering Albania hasn’t had any war related bloodshed on it’s soil since WWII . . . some 66 years ago, then I would sincerely hope Albania has rebuilt SOMETHING.
Lastly, this is the 2nd time I have seen “Albania” used in comparison to Lebanon on this blog (not by it’s authors, but by it’s readers) and I seriously have to wonder . . . why is it that the Lebanese are so focused on assuming Albania is such a backward 3rd world country and that Lebanon must somehow be better off? Albania may have been under strict communist rule for over 50 years that separated them from the rest of the world, but Albania can at least say they never had to deal with a sectarian civil war (could be because Albanians have a sense of Nationalism and don’t devide themselves between muslim, catholic, and orthodox) AND they have a stable 3G network! By my count, those are 2 things (3 if you want to count Nationalism) Albania has an up on as opposed to Lebanon.
Sorry, I know this rant is unrelated to the topic, but it really irks me when I constantly see Lebanese people pointing to Albania as a backward hick-town.
I SWEAR TO GOD U LEBANES ARE BNCH OFF STUPID PEOPLE,FIRST TASHNAG AND THE KURDS ARE,SOME KIND OF RELated,by there cuase.like the same enemy,they share same brotherhood land in eastern Armenia where occupied by turks and governed by kurds and still there are some armenians there underneath the kuedish people mercy.what i mean here if tashnag is racist by doing this,then they preparing another massacer on occupied armenian lands of eastern armenia where majority are kurds and armenians are less then 1 percent off population there,and i remember years ago a kurd killed an marronite young man in front his parent and nobody did shit,and tashnag was the one who got the killer and hand him to the police i hope everyone got my point,and excuse my grammar
I did not understand one point of your post. It’s not only your grammar that’s bad…
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